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Thursday 11 January 2024

Was Marcion First? A Discussion between Derek Lambert, Mark G. Bilby, Jack Bull and Markus Vinzent on Mythvision

 Today on live channel of Mythvision this question was discussed, if you want to recap, here is the link:



2 comments:

  1. Hi prof Vinzent,
    congratulations for your book! I have appreciated especially the point where you show that Mark, by introducing the Parable of the Vineyards, has dissipated the halo of ambiguity about the identity of the true father of Jesus (the previous episode of the pharisees questioning the autority of Jesus). I have found another point where Mark exorcises this ambiguity:

    The episode of Bartimaeus is found in both Mark and *Ev. It may be strumentalized in a marcionite way along the following lines: Bartimaeus gives up to hail Jesus as davidic only after, not before, he gains the sight (just as Adam and Eve realize the salvific function of the Serpent only after their act of disobedience). Realizing the danger of the marcionite interpretation, Mark adds the episode of the blind of Bethsaida that is exactly simmetrical to the Bartimaeus episode: Marcion has only the rapid healing of the blind called Bartimaeus while Mark has added the delayed healing of the blind of Bethsaida. The delay is explained by the vision of “men as tree walking”, i.e. blind people want a king-messiah for themselves (the allusion is to Judges 9:8-15). The inference is that Bartimaeus is healed rapidly just because he recognized Jesus as already the davidic Messiah and didn’t wish one yet to come. In this way the initial recognition of Jesus as davidic messiah by Bartimaeus is not seen more in (Marcionite) antithesis to his secondary recognition of Jesus as son of god (the unknown Father).

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  2. Marcion is crucial and no one understands him. In fact, there is nothing surprising in this, because probably none of the biblical scholars has been the leader of a large enterprise with a dispersed structure, which must be organized at the beginning, begin to achieve the assumed goals and survive until the revenues are higher than the costs. And then fight the competition, help some, bribe others. Squeeze as much as possible out of your own people by promoting asceticism, singleness and giving up procreation. And at the same time coach them, giving them the prospect of promotion. The prose of the life of an effective leader regardless of the era. Marcion is actually a simple case, but we need to apply criteria outside biblical studies to him. That's the problem.
    It's the same with content. A ghostwriter is not an author. With redactor he is just a co-executor of the order defined by the product manager, who is responsible for delivering the product. The product manager defines initial expectations, defines corrections, and decides on the composition of the product.
    Mark, Luke, and Matthew did not write any of the gospels themselves. Their material was mixed, revised and supplemented by those for whom they wrote. None of the canonical gospels was first because they are amalgams. During your lecture at King's College, you asked a key question - where were the evangelists. The answer is simple - they sat together in one scriptorium.

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